not necessarily named as such, then they leveraged the nato support, which assassinated gadhafi. >> jeff, let me ask you, how big of a problem are these groups right now? >> well, i think they're a major problem. they don't represent a great proportion of libyan citizenry, obviously. you're talking about small rejections factions. a lot of these organizations integrate jihadi veterans who have some combat experience. whether we're talking about iraq in which libyans represented a very sizable contention of foreign fighters there, or even in the afghan pakistan war zone. you have a lot of folks with a great deal of experience and that also plays into the reason of why we didn't know about this and its entirety before it happened. a lot of these guys are very sophisticated in their secrecy and trade craft. you're talking about the word of mouth, et cetera. >> let me ask you about this crucial question we've been reporting on, which is what appears to be, i mean it is at least from the way it's come out, a real disconnect from what the u.s. intelligence committee is saying they knew and whe